How does the lease work?

You do not own the land the cabin sits on. It is leased from the U.S. Government and you pay a yearly fee (special use permit). The Forest Service is in the process of renewing leases for 20 years. Most of the cabins have met Forest Service requirements and secured their 20 year leases.

Could the Forest Service terminate the lease?

They could, but it is unlikely. In the event they decided to terminate the lease, they would give you 10 years notice over and above the remaining time left on your lease. Check with the Forest Service prior to purchasing your cabin so you feel comfortable about the lease conditions. We have a very helpful ranger assigned to the Holy Jim/Trabuco cabins who can answer your questions.

How much is the lease?

It depends on the canyon. Holy Jim leases are slightly less than Trabuco leases because the lots are smaller. The 2009/2010 lease in Upper Trabuco canyon was ~ $580.00.

My bank won't give me a mortgage on a cabin. What am I supposed to do?

True, it is most likely impossible to secure a conventional mortgage on a cabin. This is because the cabins are considered personal property and are on leased land. Some cabin owners might be willing to finance you, however, this is between you and the seller. Most cabin sales are typically all cash transactions.

Can I live in my cabin full-time?

No. The Forest Service requires that you maintain a permanent (non-PO Box) address. The spirit of the cabin environment dictates that they are used for recreational purposes only.

What is the difference between the two canyons (Trabuco and Holy Jim)?

The creek and waterfall at the end of Holy Jim seems to draw more hikers and weekend warriors. As a result, Holy Jim gets more foot-traffic than does Trabuco.

How difficult is it to have work done on my cabin?

While it is sometimes a challenge to find contractors willing to come to the area, some of the cabin owners themselves are willing to do work for their neighbors. We have at least one contractor/cabin owner and many others who are skilled in various areas. In addition, there are local folks who are familiar with the canyon and can help. Propane deliveries occur at scheduled intervals.

How much work do these cabins require?

It depends on the age of the cabin. Some of the cabins are in original condition, while others have been rebuilt. When you buy a cabin, you should decide on your level of committment. The older cabins are good for those folks who aren't afraid to 'tinker'. At minimum, regular raking is highly recommended. Accummulation of leaves will lead to rot and is potential fuel for fires. Other common cabin repairs include: filling in holes caused by woodpeckers or other animals, painting, deck repair, roof repair, pothole repair, junk removal.

Can I get fire insurance on my cabin?

Yes. If you cannot get insurance through your own company, there are a couple companies that provide insurance at a reasonable rate. The California Fair Plan is one of them.

Where does the water come from?

The Forest Service disallowed pumping from the stream as a condition for renewing our 20 year leases. Some of the cabins have wells, while others have tanks that are filled by water truck delivery. Some cabins have self-contained septic systems while others have chemical toilets. It just depends.